R-390 Reflector December `02 Edited
From w5or@comcast.net Mon Dec 2 15:18:42 2002 Subject: [R-390] November 2002 Stats Stats for Mailman list: R-390 Admin Page: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/R-390 Home Page: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/R-390 List Owner: w5or@comcast.net Membership: 586 Starting: Nov 01 00:00:01 Ending: Nov 30 23:58:02 Total posts: 193 Total SUCCESSFUL posts: Total bytes 346012 193 Top 10 posters: 10 r.tetrault@attbi.NOcom, 10 courir26@yahoo.NOcom, 9 hankarn@pacbell.NOnet, 8 chacuff@cableone.NOnet, 7 llgpt@aol.NOcom, 7 djmerz@3-cities.NOcom, 6 kellerfamily01@charter.NOnet, 5 tbigelow@pop.state.vt.NOus, 5 jordana@nucleus.NOcom, 5 jonandvalerieoldenburg@worldnet.att.NOnet, -----------------------------------Don Reaves R-390 list administrator R-390 Mailing List Rules: 1. Stay on topic 2. Be civil and courteous 3. Happy Holidays! -----------------------------------Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:23:25 -0800 Subject: [R-390] November 2002 Stats It's a slow month when someone like me gets top billing... Bob From redmenaced@yahoo.com Mon Dec 2 19:15:19 2002 Subject: [R-390] Re: [R390 Non-Abridged] The week off..... I'd put a Cobra gunship into a hot LZ, if only to raise the temperature a little!
1 I was working at a small factory near here last week, putting up some lights outside. There was a wasp nest near where one of the lights was supposed to go. HONEST I had no idea there were any wasps in it! I swatted it down and took it inside to show the other guys,..... about an hour later it warmed up and the wasps started coming out,........ there were hundreds of them,.......... They got them all killed before they caused any problems, but it was touchy for a while. I don't know why I do these things,........ I relly don't. JOe From WardSRehkopf@eaton.com Mon Dec 2 19:14:35 2002 Subject: [R-390] Wanted R390 parts Still looking for an antenna relay and tube straightners for my R390. Any help would be appreciated. thanks K8FD From plmills@attglobal.net Mon Dec 2 20:14:45 2002 Subject: [R-390] FS Misc R-390A hardware Hello, I was just going through my R-390A stuff looking for some pin straighteners to satisfy someone's post and realised how much "stuff" I have. If you are in need of any rack handles, oldham couplers, gears, clamps, screws, etc., please e-mail me as I may be able to help. For gears, you need to give me a number based on the diagram in the manual for a positive identification. thanks, Phil From barry@hausernet.com Mon Dec 2 20:05:53 2002 Subject: [R-390] Re: [R390 Non-Abridged] The week off..... OK, letsee now ... In addition to Chief Pot Stirrer and Beehive Kicker, you are now also official Waspnest Wacker, I guess.... Barry BTW -- this summer I had a problem with wasps and hornets trying to make a nest out of the fender mirrors on my truck. These are the inside adjustable kind, so there is space in the shells behind the actual mirrors. I could swear one or two of the bugs were commuting with me. Had I known, I would have called you down here, but those mirrors ain't cheap. From Richard.McClung@Dielectric.spx.com Tue Dec 3 17:01:58 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment FYI, I just got off the phone with a DLA Investigator. He wants to see a piece of equipment that I have that was purchased thru DRMO. It is an HP 105A Frequency Standard. The reason is it is on the DEMIL Q list and can not be shipped overseas without a release. So you see it's not just state of the art electronics they control but even this older stuff. So Thursday he will come over and look at it. RICH WA6KNW From r.tetrault@attbi.com Tue Dec 3 17:27:26 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment In-Reply-To:
2 Better ship it to me before he gets there... From flood@Krohne.com Tue Dec 3 18:00:46 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment If you see him walking up with a large hammer, lock all of the doors and windows. :) John Flood From cthulhu@fhtagn.org Tue Dec 3 18:06:06 2002 Subject: [R-390] R-1247 Stuff ( was: modified R390A, etc ) I have the boxen that goes with Todd's setup. Unfortunately it is packed in the storage building. I could get dome pics sometime if anyone is interested. The outboard gear consists of an oscillator for KC, one for MC, and a two input SSB convertor. The only thing missing is the osc signal from the matching TX, the freq which I don't remember. One of the BA members an R-1247 to hook all this together, and I was going to swap either my minty 54 Collins or 67 EAC. :-) One of these days I may get a round tuit if his RX is still available. If anyone has an R-1247 and wants the rest of the setup, drop me an email. ( preferably at r390a@bellsouth.net ) 73 Tom KA4RKT From rnharsh@attbi.com Tue Dec 3 21:33:31 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment I guess I am really out of the loop! What the heck is the DLA, DRMO and the DEMIL Q list? Sorry! K3PID From redmenaced@yahoo.com Tue Dec 3 21:55:41 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment Wow, You are out of the loop. The DRMO was the department that was responsible for processing our radios when they were surplussed out of the military. It stands for Defense Re-utilisation and Marketing Operations. The Demil Q list is to keep track of items that can be sold to US citizens but they like to keep track of where it goes after that. It also establishes a list of countries that these items CAN'T be sold to. DLA, I'm not sure of but is probably related. Joe From jordana@nucleus.com Tue Dec 3 22:02:43 2002 Subject: [R-390] TMC Multicoupler help.... Hi.. I am looking for specs, a manual , and and spare parts for a TMC Multi-coupler... this unit is all solid state and bears the Tag ID of TMC 6808 Mulit-Coupler.. it is very similiar to the AN-21C (?)....I have pics if they are of any help... 73 de Jordan...
3 From David_Wise@Phoenix.com Tue Dec 3 22:06:26 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment Defense Logistics Agency From Richard.McClung@Dielectric.spx.com Tue Dec 3 22:06:49 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment DLA - Defense Logistics Agency DRMO - Defense Reutilization and Marketing Offices DEMIL - Demilitarization Q List - one of many lists for different classes of materials and how the are to be disposed of......... CODE DESCRIPTION A Non-MLI/Non-SLI -- Demilitarization not required B MLI (Non-Significant Military Equipment - Non-SME) -- Demilitarization not required. Trade Security Controls (TSCs) required at disposition. C MLI(SME). Remove and/or demilitarize installed key point(s)as prescribed in DOD 4160.21-M-1. Defense Demilitarization Manual, or lethal parts, components and accessories. D MLI(SME). Total destruction of item and components so as to preclude restoration or repair to a usable condition by melting, cutting, tearing, scratching, crushing, breaking, punching, neutralizing, etc. (As an alternate, burial or deep water dumping may be used when coordinated with the DOD Demilitarization Program Office.) E MLI(NON-SME). Additional critical items/material determined to require demilitarization, either key point or total destruction. Demilitarization instructions to be furnished by the DOD Demilitarization Program Office. F MLI (SME) -- Demilitarization instructions to be furnished by the Item/Technical Manager. G MLI(SMIE). Demilitarization required AEDA. Demilitarization, and if required, declassification and/or removal of sensitive markings or information will be accomplished prior to physical transfer to a DRMO. This code will be used for all AEDA items, including those which also require declassification and/or removal of sensitive markings or information. P MLI(SME). Security Classified Item Declassification and any additional demilitarization and removal of any sensitive markings or information will be accomplished prior to accountability or physical transfer to a DRMO. This code will not be assigned to AEDA items. Q CCLI. Commerce Control List Item Demilitarization not required. CCLI are dual-use (military, commercial, and other strategic uses) items under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Export Administration, U.S. Department of Commerce, through the Export Administration Regulations. The types of items under the Commerce Control List (CCL) are commodities (i.e., equipment, materials, electronics, propulsion systems, etc.), software, and technology. The CCL does not include those items
4 exclusively controlled by another department or agency of the U.S. Government. RICH @B> } From Llgpt@aol.com Tue Dec 3 22:07:07 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment DLA stands for Defense Logistics Agency, a fancy name for Supply. Les From jordana@nucleus.com Tue Dec 3 22:17:46 2002 Subject: [R-390] Re: TMC Multicoupler help.... Sorry.. that should read AMC-21 Multicoupler... 73 de Jordan... From szachara@gulftel.com Wed Dec 4 00:33:50 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment DRMO -- Defense Reutilization and Marketing Office Demil Q List -- A list of items that must be "demilitarized" (read smashed or destroyed) before being sold to the public DLA -- Defense Logistics Agency Regards, Walt From BRingwoo@csir.co.za Wed Dec 4 06:57:46 2002 Subject: [R-390] Interesting Finding... R-390A Hi, Look at the multivibrator following the calibrator oscillator. My 390A does this too on occasion (the odd harmonics sometimes disappear altogether) - I have to kick it to make it work. I'll fix it next time I pull the RF deck. - Bryce From tbigelow@pop.state.vt.us Wed Dec 4 17:38:11 2002 Subject: [R-390] Surplus Equipment Richard.McClung@Dielectric.spx.com wrote: > FYI > I just got off the phone with a DLA Investigator. What happens if you traded it, sold it at a flea market, or trashed it? Will they check the recycled material content? Go door to door? Threaten you with a tax audit? I think it's a good program or, at least - good idea or intent, but pretty lame implementation. But is is run by the gov't, afterall. Those hi-tech M-1s and R-390As should not be allowed to fall into the hands of our enemies, what with being so easy to conceal and all. God only knows what they'd do with the HP frequency standard.... Good luck! Boomer, KA1KAQ (covering his tracks as he backs away)
5 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:41:31 -0500 Subject: [R-390] Re: Surplus Equipment Rich, Mabe you want to do a quick, superficial (and reversible) "de-mil" before Mr. DLA comes over. He would then see that all is well and the world has been kept safe for democracy (and hopefully won't impose his own de-mil). Drew From barry@hausernet.com Wed Dec 4 20:29:12 2002 Subject: [R-390] Re: Surplus Equipment > Mabe you want to do a quick, superficial (and reversible) "de-mil" before > Mr. DLA comes over. He would then see that all is well and the world has > been kept safe for democracy (and hopefully won't impose his own de-mil). Good idea, Drew ... Rich -- suggest you uninstall the meter and get some blue and yellow (waterbase) paint. ;-) To be on the safe side, also paint your face blue and when he arrives, just explain that you are of Scotch extraction. ( a kilt would help) He won't stay long, especially if he saw that Mel Gibson movie .... and you offer him a side of haggis. Barry From redmenaced@yahoo.com Thu Dec 5 03:31:52 2002 Subject: [R-390] Listening event, audio test! Many of these stations will be using retired broadcast rigs, they sound excellent! Joe Posted by KD0HG on December 04, 19102 at 10:46:06: The 3rd Annual Heavy Metal Rally will commence the evening of Saturday, December 28th and the party continues all night. Everyone is encouraged to participate, but the goal is to have as many AM Tall Ships participate. Bring your broadcast iron, military, homebrew, T-368s and KW1s to the party! This year's rules are: You get one base point per QSO. One additional point if the station you work is running a rig weighing at least 250 pounds. One additional point for rigs with a minimum carrier power output of 250 watts. One point for each different state. One point for each different type of transmitter. So if you work someone running an RCA BTA-1 1KW broadcast rig, that's three points right off the bat, one for making the contact, two more for 250 pounds AND 250 watts; add a point for states and different rigs as appropriate. Suggested operating frequencies are: 1885 KC Eastern USA, 1900 KC Western USA, 3870-3890 KC on 75 meters. 7290 KC on 40 meters. Contest logs should be mailed to my home c/o QRZ address or sent to me by email. heavymetalrally@earthlink.net
6 ER will be issuing certificates to all participants returning logs. Like last year, a trophy will be offered to the Tall Ship AM station that shows up in the most returned contest logs. To qualify, the trophy winner MUST be running a transmitter that qualifies as 250 watts and/or 250 pounds. The ER Magazine website will have details on all upcoming operating events. 73 -Bill From jordana@nucleus.com Thu Dec 5 16:39:36 2002 Subject: [R-390] Brian Jeffrey e-mail address..? Hi does anyone have the e-mail address for Brian Jeffrey..? 73 de Jordan... From jordana@nucleus.com Thu Dec 5 19:47:00 2002 Subject: [R-390] TMC Multi-coupler help... I'm looking for docs and or a manual for a TMC , or even someone who could verify a few component values for a TMC Solid State HF Receiver Multi-coupler... The unit I have is Labelled as a TMC 6808 Multi-coupler, but that is probably not the "Official" ID.... This unit uses a JFET RF device in the pre-amp board, a 2N3823, followed by a pair of unmarked ( unreadable ) transistors, and finally a 2N2368 ( Buffer?) on the preamp board before the signal goes to the individual dual BNC output boards.... I have pictures of the unit , and the board in question if that is of any help...73 de Jordan http://www.ermag.com/index.cfm Let's cut to the chase: What I thought I had was an HP 105A Quartz Oscillator described as: 6625-00-480-8675; Calibrator, Frequency; Unit Price: $2,259.87; CECOM, Stock funded, Repairable item, DLA/GSA managed item that cannot be identified to any specific Army weapons system/end item. FSC 6625 Is TMDE Testing, Measuring and Diagnostic Equipment What they have it identified as: 4931-01-020-4514; Generator, Signal; Unit Price: $7,146.00; AMCOM (Missiles, missile material), Telecommunications equipment, repairable item, Calibration. FSC 4931 is Fire Control Maintenance and Repair Shop Specialized Equipment. DEMIL B (requires DOD release to sell overseas). DEMIL Q (requires DOS release to sell overseas). I'm the third hand party. The original purchaser bought a pallet of assorted electronic components, with no detailed list of items, for $45.00 from DRMO at Hill AFB, UT. The second party bought it from him for $50.00. I traded some electronic items for it. The only reason he could find me is because the three of us know each other and knew the chain of custody. If the chain was broken the last possessor would have to make a sworn statement as to the disposition of the instrument. The HP 105A is an HP 105A. No special components or ruggedized case. One agency spends 2.2K$ for
7 it and another spends 7.1K$ for the exact same thing. The government sells it for less than $45.00 and then spends thousands of dollars to make sure an item that can be bought from most any surplus electronic dealer in the W O R L D isn't sold overseas without DOD/DOS release. I showed him print outs from WWW sites of dealers in the US and Germany that had HP 105A's for sale. Oh yeah, He parted by saying that the events of 9/11 has caused more interest in the monitoring of DRMO sales and that he would be contacting me in three months to see if I still have the SIGNAL GENERATOR.... RICH @B> } From kellerfamily01@charter.net Fri Dec 6 18:00:49 2002 Subject: [R-390] R-390A Meters Everyone, I have a set of replacement meters for the R-390A that are surplus to my needs. These are not original type meters. They are the exact same meters that Fair Radio will provide for you for $55.00 extra if you buy one of their "Checked" R-390As for $495.00. They are black with a black face and white lettering. If you go to the Fair Radio website, you can see what they look like on the radio. These meters are in good shape - they are not beat-up or scuffed up at all. Since I am not trying to make a profit on these meters, I will make them available - first come, first served - to whomever wants them for $55.00, and I will pay the postage to send them anywhere in the continental U.S.A. Send me an email if you are interested. Bill Keller From kellerfamily01@charter.net Fri Dec 6 22:09:57 2002 Subject: [R-390] R-390A Meters Everyone, the meters were spoken for within minutes of posting. Sorry I did not have enough to go around. Bill WB5KXO From wohlsson@comcast.net Mon Dec 9 01:47:23 2002 Subject: [R-390] F102 FUSE BLOWING Hi guys, Just picked up a r-390a from the estate of a silent key...I wanted one because I loved them when I was in the navy. Figures that I would have problems right from the start. The F102 1/4 amp fuse blows. I need some direction on where to start and who is a good source for parts to replace all the bad ones that your going to tell me I need. I'm not a real expert when it comes to repairing radio's, but I'm will to give it a shot. Especially don't really want to ship this for repair, just to have it destroyed en route. Thanks and 73'S......Bill Ohlsson....WA8BDA From Walter Wilson" the NIST, or NTSI site. Joe,
18 My links to the Logsa place are not on this computer. I sent that link a while ago to Brad Thompson (copy to him) - maybe he can dig it out and let us know what it is. NIST National Insitute of Standards and Technology, one part (the major part) of The Technology Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce (about 3500 people) NTSI National Traffic Safety Institute (appears to be part of the U.S. Department of Transportation, though the web site says nothing about that.) NTIS National Technical Information Service, *also* a part of The Technology Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce (about 150 people). Roy NIST employee From w9wis@charter.net Sun Dec 15 02:00:31 2002 Subject: [R-390] Military Manuals,.... again. LOGSA link below........... http://www.logsa.army.mil/etms/find_etm.cfm Mike, W9WIS "At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years." "At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." January 27, 1838 - A. Lincoln From redmenaced@yahoo.com Sun Dec 15 03:12:45 2002 Subject: [R-390] Military Manuals,.... again. I GOT IT!! It didn't work AT ALL with MSIE 6.0 Had to use Nutscrape, even then it crashed several times. Not much of a way to tell if its done downloading. Thanks for the help, Joe From redmenaced@yahoo.com Sun Dec 15 03:16:35 2002 Subject: [R-390] Military Manuals,.... again. I didn't have to log in, only one manual came back as needing a password, that was one manual for the AN/URM-127, for some reason! I didn't try any commercial stuff, oh, well, back to logsa, I need some more manuals. Joe
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